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Abandoned Oklahoma amusement park on new episode of American Pickers
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acer510
2013-10-31 03:11:12 UTC
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On the new episode of American Pickers tonight the boys stopped at an
abandoned amusement park in Oklahoma. The name of the park was Eagle Park
and according to the man now overseeing the property the park operated
from 1957 until 1985. He states that the high cost of insurance is what
forced the park to close. They show several SBNO rides including a kiddie
rocket ship swing ride,a rock-o-plane,a kiddie ferris wheel and a wild mouse
roller coaster. I never heard of this park before. Anyone have more details ?

Jim
Steelforce
2013-10-31 17:16:30 UTC
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On the new episode of American Pickers tonight the boys stopped at an abandoned amusement park in Oklahoma. The name of the park was Eagle Park and according to the man now overseeing the property the park operated from 1957 until 1985. He states that the high cost of insurance is what forced the park to close. They show several SBNO rides including a kiddie rocket ship swing ride,a rock-o-plane,a kiddie ferris wheel and a wild mouse roller coaster. I never heard of this park before. Anyone have more details ? Jim
they had lusse auto skooters that were in really bad shape, and other stuff I felt sorry for the owner he was obviously quite emotional over the whole situation and it appeared that he spent a great deal of time trying to find a way to re-open the park. I love the gentle spirit of this show and watch the show quite often
m***@gmail.com
2014-04-09 20:29:00 UTC
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Post by acer510
On the new episode of American Pickers tonight the boys stopped at an
abandoned amusement park in Oklahoma. The name of the park was Eagle Park
and according to the man now overseeing the property the park operated
from 1957 until 1985. He states that the high cost of insurance is what
forced the park to close. They show several SBNO rides including a kiddie
rocket ship swing ride,a rock-o-plane,a kiddie ferris wheel and a wild mouse
roller coaster. I never heard of this park before. Anyone have more details ?
Jim
Went there often as a child. The guy that ran the rides was "Wes". Really cool place located at the foothills of the Whichita Mountains. Cache Oklahoma.
w***@gmail.com
2015-04-09 13:18:21 UTC
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Appears to be a Schiff wild mouse....rcdb lists it as SBNO
Zachary Lunsford
2021-03-22 04:51:57 UTC
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Post by w***@gmail.com
Appears to be a Schiff wild mouse....rcdb lists it as SBNO
I think this was last Schiff mouse coaster left standing but not operating.
c***@gmail.com
2018-06-17 04:10:29 UTC
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Post by acer510
On the new episode of American Pickers tonight the boys stopped at an
abandoned amusement park in Oklahoma. The name of the park was Eagle Park
and according to the man now overseeing the property the park operated
from 1957 until 1985. He states that the high cost of insurance is what
forced the park to close. They show several SBNO rides including a kiddie
rocket ship swing ride,a rock-o-plane,a kiddie ferris wheel and a wild mouse
roller coaster. I never heard of this park before. Anyone have more details ?
Jim
I don't remember that park, but I remember one at Trosper Park in Okla City called Kiddy Dream Land. At least that's the name I remember. Does anyone remember that one??
TheK-ManRocks
2021-03-22 11:55:57 UTC
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Post by acer510
On the new episode of American Pickers tonight the boys stopped at an
abandoned amusement park in Oklahoma. The name of the park was Eagle Park
and according to the man now overseeing the property the park operated
from 1957 until 1985. He states that the high cost of insurance is what
forced the park to close. They show several SBNO rides including a kiddie
rocket ship swing ride,a rock-o-plane,a kiddie ferris wheel and a wild mouse
roller coaster. I never heard of this park before. Anyone have more details ?
Jim
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"high cost of insurance"...

I heard that BS excuse locally, back in the eighties when my neighbourhood fire dept. said due to "increasing insurance premiums" 1984 would be the last year of the carnival to raise funds for the volunteer fire dept.

I later learned that local "business" owners were skimming increasing amounts of the event's take(earnings from games of chance, rides tickets, etc). Plus, police were charging higher and higher rates to provide crowd and traffic control around the carnival site.
Alan Conceicao
2021-04-12 12:50:26 UTC
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Post by TheK-ManRocks
"high cost of insurance"...
I heard that BS excuse locally, back in the eighties when my neighbourhood fire dept. said due to "increasing insurance premiums" 1984 would be the last year of the carnival to raise funds for the volunteer fire dept.
I later learned that local "business" owners were skimming increasing amounts of the event's take(earnings from games of chance, rides tickets, etc). Plus, police were charging higher and higher rates to provide crowd and traffic control around the carnival site.
The liability insurance crisis actually happened and was the single most devastating event in the last 50 years to the amusement industry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liability_insurance_crisis

No one in enthusiast circles talks about it because no one ever connected the dots before best I can tell. I assume that it was noteworthy enough to be in ACE's publications in the 80s but who the hell knows.
TheK-ManRocks
2021-04-20 12:27:15 UTC
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Post by Alan Conceicao
Post by TheK-ManRocks
"high cost of insurance"...
I heard that BS excuse locally, back in the eighties when my neighbourhood fire dept. said due to "increasing insurance premiums" 1984 would be the last year of the carnival to raise funds for the volunteer fire dept.
I later learned that local "business" owners were skimming increasing amounts of the event's take(earnings from games of chance, rides tickets, etc). Plus, police were charging higher and higher rates to provide crowd and traffic control around the carnival site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liability_insurance_crisis
No one in enthusiast circles talks about it because no one ever connected the
dots before best I can tell. I assume that it was noteworthy enough to be in
ACE's publications in the 80s but who the hell knows.
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So either through greed, or a combination of possibliities as outlined in the Wiki,
insurance companies made it more difficult for "outdoor recreation" providers
(amusement parks, temporary carnivals, etc,) to insure themselves in the event of
harm to patrons or staff through ride malfunctions, fires, and unforeseen incidents.

I guess larger chain parks, such as Six Flags, Cedar Fair, could simply absorb the
higher costs of insuring themselves via annual ticket price increases, and other sources of revenue(add-on attraction fees not included at the admission gate, skyrocketing parking fees, etc).

In the case of local church and fire bazaars, such as where I live, skimming of the daily take by providers of crowd and traffic control, as alleged or actually occurring, didn't help the bottom line
Dave Althoff, Jr.
2021-04-24 16:55:53 UTC
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TheK-ManRocks <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:50:27 AM UTC-4, Alan Conceicao wrote:
: > > "high cost of insurance"...
: >
: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liability_insurance_crisis
: >
: > No one in enthusiast circles talks about it because no one ever connected the
: dots before best I can tell. I assume that it was noteworthy enough to be in
: ACE's publications in the 80s but who the hell knows.
: ____________
:
: So either through greed, or a combination of possibliities as outlined in
: the Wiki, insurance companies made it more difficult for "outdoor
: recreation" providers (amusement parks, temporary carnivals, etc,) to
: insure themselves in the event of harm to patrons or staff through ride
: malfunctions, fires, and unforeseen incidents.

It was a combination of factors. There was an explosion of litigation at
the time and a general increase in settlements for ever increasing amounts.
There was also financial pressure all over...in hindsight it's not
surprising that this happened as we were emerging from those dark days of
"stagflation" and the extraordinarily high interest rates that finally
brought inflation under control. Financially there was a period of moderate
deflation and a sudden crash in interest rateswhich left investment
organizations (like insurance companies) scrambling for ways to increase
capital. We lost a number of insurance companies during this period as
well, as smaller companies could no longer be profitable and smaller
independent agents were being squeezed very hard. Companies were being hit
from both sides: much higher losses, and much lower returns on investments,
meaning the money to both operate and to pay claims had to come from
somewhere. Or the companies simply exited that line of business entirely.

: I guess larger chain parks, such as Six Flags, Cedar Fair, could simply
: absorb the higher costs of insuring themselves via annual ticket price
: increases, and other sources of revenue(add-on attraction fees not
: included at the admission gate, skyrocketing parking fees, etc).

Businesses that were large enough in some cases turned to self-insurance
for a time. Companies that did also started going overboard with trying to
eliminate risks in their parks. Not just amusement parks and carnivals, but
even municipalities. This is when the swing-sets and sliding boards
disappeared from the city parks, sledding hills were barricaded, pools and
ponds were shut down, fireworks shows were canceled...a lot of things that
disappeared back then have simply never come back. When was the last time
you saw a Swingin' Gym in an amusement park?

Eventually a few things started to happen. Insurers started to fight back
in court instead of settling large claims. Sometimes even the appearance of
a willingness to fight a claim was enough to reduce the settlement.
Interest rates stabilized so that investment strategies could adapt.
Reforms in insurance practices and in legal limitations helped as well. And
for the amusement industry, specialty insurance brokers were able to fill
in the gap and aggregate clients so that they could provide insurance
services. At the same time the industry shifted from being more risk averse
to getting much better at risk management. Amusement safety was now being
seen as a discipline separate from, though tightly bound with inspection,
maintenance and operations.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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