When does a coaster become “SBNO”?

[Surf Dance Chris]

Had a conversation about this earlier with a friend... when does a coaster become SBNO?

My thoughts- it becomes SBNO if:

1) The ride or park it’s in officially permanently closes

-Or-

2) the ride has not permanently closed, but it has not given a ride to a guest in over 1 year.

This means to me that many coasters in states with parks that have not yet reopened (New York, Massachusetts), will soon become SBNO since most of them last operated in October 2019. California parks have also not been allowed to reopen, but most of them are year round, which means most of their coasters last operated in March 2019, still far less than 1 year.

Thoughts on when a coaster officially becomes SBNO?

[Richard Bannister]

Post by Surf Dance Chris
Had a conversation about this earlier with a friend... when does a coaster become SBNO?

Happy enough with (1).

I think (2) should be suspended until the end of this pandemic.

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[Tyler Eaves]

Post by Surf Dance Chris
Had a conversation about this earlier with a friend... when does a coaster become SBNO?
1) The ride or park it’s in officially permanently closes
-Or-
2) the ride has not permanently closed, but it has not given a ride to a guest in over 1 year.
This means to me that many coasters in states with parks that have not yet reopened (New York, Massachusetts), will soon become SBNO since most of them last operated in October 2019. California parks have also not been allowed to reopen, but most of them are year round, which means most of their coasters last operated in March 2019, still far less than 1 year.
Thoughts on when a coaster officially becomes SBNO?

I would suggest a modified version of (2): When it doesn't carry a guest during a year-long span where the park it's in is otherwise operating.

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That should be March 2020* for California parks.

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Post by Tyler Eaves

Post by Surf Dance Chris
Had a conversation about this earlier with a friend... when does a coaster become SBNO?
1) The ride or park it’s in officially permanently closes
-Or-
2) the ride has not permanently closed, but it has not given a ride to a guest in over 1 year.
This means to me that many coasters in states with parks that have not yet reopened (New York, Massachusetts), will soon become SBNO since most of them last operated in October 2019. California parks have also not been allowed to reopen, but most of them are year round, which means most of their coasters last operated in March 2020, still far less than 1 year.
Thoughts on when a coaster officially becomes SBNO?

I would suggest a modified version of (2): When it doesn't carry a guest during a year-long span where the park it's in is otherwise operating.

Tyler, that’s a fair suggestion. Trying to think of a case where scenario (2) would happen without your modification applying, and can’t think of any offhand.

[Dave Althoff, Jr.]

Surf Dance Chris <***@aol.com> wrote:
: Had a conversation about this earlier with a friend... when does a
: coaster become SBNO?
:
: My thoughts- it becomes SBNO if:
:
: 1) The ride or park it?s in officially permanently closes
:
: -Or-
:
: 2) the ride has not permanently closed, but it has not given a ride to a
: guest in over 1 year.
:
: This means to me that many coasters in states with parks that have not
: yet reopened (New York, Massachusetts), will soon become SBNO since most
: of them last operated in October 2019. California parks have also not
: been allowed to reopen, but most of them are year round, which means most
: of their coasters last operated in March 2019, still far less than 1
: year.
:
: Thoughts on when a coaster officially becomes SBNO?

I'd say a ride becomes SBNO at the point where it no longer operates for
the public. The term is generally not appliled to rides that are expected
to operate as part of a going concern when that facility is closed for
whatever reason *but has not ceased operation*. So I would not consider
declaring all of the coasters at Kings Dominion as categorically SBNO just
because the park has not been permitted to open. Whenever the park opens
again those rides are expected to operate again.

Technically any ride that is "standing, but not operating" is SBNO, and
with that definition you could technically apply the term to a ride that is
closed for the afternoon due to some maintenance issue. But the spirit of
the term is to identify a ride that has been removed from service, either
permanently or temporarily, either because the park has closed it, or
because the park itself is closed. Generally speaking we're talking about
rides that have been removed from the park's active line-up, while they rot
away in the park (Gwazi, Son of Beast, Volcano...). We could debate whether
this applies to rides that are removed from service seasonally, for
instance all of the coasters at Kings Island that aren't Mystic Timbers
during Winterfest.

rcdb.com has been known to mark rides as SBNO within hours of reports of
serious incidents.

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