Post by c***@gmail.comPost by s***@aol.comYeah I was thinking the same. There isn’t much competition for wood coasters in Texas.
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SF Announcement video from Coaster Studios.
http://youtu.be/G72Iw6XTCcE
Here's the break down on SF V. CF. Each chain only gets 1 major coaster. What the chains are doing, is adding to the water park side if they have nothing for the dry side. This one attraction a year thing is lame, especially if they add to the water side. Meanwhile, Disney, Universal, Dollywood, Hershey, and even Kennywood are building complete areas.
Six Flags
SFMM - ??? (2019 - West Coast Racers) (3.592 Million)
SFNJ - Jersey Devil (2006 - El Toro) (3.400 Million)
SFGAm - Tsunami Surge (2019 - Maxx Force) (3.107 Million)
SFoT - Aquaman Power Wave (2011 - New Texas Giant) (2.670 Million)
SFoG - Catwoman Whip, Poison Ivy (2018 - Twisted Cyclone) (2.050 Million) <--- Attendance from here down is from Park DB
SFNE - Supergirl Sky Flyer (2015 - Wicked Cyclone) (1.695 Million)
SFFT - Dare Devil Dive Flying Machines (2018 - WWGLC) (1.442 Million)
SFDK - Sidewinder Safari (2016 - The Joker) (1.500 Million)
SFDL - Wahoo Wave (1999 - Ride Of Steel) (1.275 Million)
SFA - Harley Quinn Spinsanity (2000 - S:ROS) (1.180 Million)
SFSTL - Catwoman Whip (2008 - American Thunder) (1.337 Million)
*SFGE - ADK Outlaw (1994 - Comet)
*SFFC - ??? (1991 - Wildcat)
Cedar Fair
Cedar Point - 150 Year Celebration (2018 - Steel Vengeance) (3.676 Million)
Kings Island - Orion (2017 - Mystic Timbers) (3.486 Million)
Knotts Berry Farm - 100 Year Celebration (2018 - Hangtime) (4.115 Million)
Carowinds - Boogie Board Racers (2019 - Copperhead Strike) (2.130 Million) <-- Attendance from here down is from Park DB
Kings Dominion - Coconut Shores Water Expansion (2018 - Twisted Timbers) (2.180 Million)
California's Great America - South Bay Shores Water Park (2018 - Railblazer) (2.700 Million)
Dorney Park - Seaside Splashworks (2005 - Hydra The Revenge) (1.500 Million)
Worlds of Fun - RipTide Raceway (2009 - Prowler) (1.200 Million)
Valley Fair - Grand Carnival (Valley Fair Announced a Parade) (2007 - Renegade) (1.040 Million)
Michigan's Adventure - Camp Snoopy Kiddie Area (1998 - Shivering Timbers)
I've updated my Attendance page to have a top 32 for the USA parks. I got the previous figures from the Park DB web site.
http://www.theparkdb.com/
Those figures are outdated, the figures are from the last AB listing going back to 2005-2012, but I do have the correct stats for Dollywood and Silver Dollar City from recent articles on the web.
http://www.nogodforme.com/USA_Park_Coaster_Attendance_Results.htm
I have written to Brian Sands asking AECOM to make it a top 30 for North American Parks. He wrote back with an interesting response explaining why it's so difficult.
"Thanks for your email below and for your question/suggestion. It is always good to know that the Theme Index engages people in our industry.
To your request that we expand the list to the top 30 parks in North America, the hindrance to doing so is twofold. First, it is a huge effort for us to estimate the top 20 parks in North America, as it is for our colleagues covering EME and Asia-Pacific. Second, and related to the first, is comparability, or in this case the lack thereof between geographies and also across time – we’d need to agree to do so across all three geographies to allow for comparability, and until we had done so for some time the information would not provide meaningful time-series information (though of course we have to start somewhere).
All of that said, we do in fact forecast attendance at many parks that are not in the top 20 North America list since we have to capture those that come in and out of the list over time, and our colleagues are doing the same in their regions, though this may be less true in EME where the market is a bit smaller. However, as noted for comparability, we limit our published results to the top 20.
So, again, we’ll think about it. I am copying colleagues of mine here in North America that work on the Theme Index and we’ll discuss further, also with our colleagues in EME and Asia-Pacific, when we start the process again early next year. "
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I also wrote to Kentucky Kingdom because Ed Hart usually tells his attendance number, but he didn't for 2018.
"We are in receipt of your e-mail inquiring about attendance figures for Kentucky Kingdom’s 2018 season and Holiday World’s 2010 season. I’m sorry I can’t help you, but we wouldn’t know about attendance figures for Holiday World and, for competitive reasons, we no longer release specific annual attendance figures for Kentucky Kingdom.
We do hope you’ll come out and enjoy the park before the end of the season. I don’t know if you’ve heard the news yet, but we are reintroducing a beloved post-season event (“HalloScream”) this year and will be open every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evening in October."
Even though my stats are out of date for the parks out of the top 20, it does put all the parks in a correct order from Marque down to Step Child, and that explains which parks get something major, and which parks get water attractions or flat rides. Parks with attendance below 1.5 million are Step Children.
Again, you conveniently forget coasters and the foreign parks when talking about Six Flags. I know you want to make your point that Cedar Fair and Six Flags are bad for not building giant 25-30 million coasters at every park, but you would sound a lot more credible if you didn't randomly move the goal posts for each park.
For example, SFGADV got three coasters between 2006 and 2020. One was a family coaster (The Dark Knight Coaster), the next one a large B&M Stand-Up Coaster (Green Lantern) and the more recent one an S&S Freespin (The Joker). In between that, the park received important additions like the expensive and huge Off-Road Safari Adventure, Zumanjaro and the Justice League: Battle for Metropolis dark ride. They don't count according to you, but in practice, with the GP, who make up over 3 million of the actual guests visiting the park, they make the park a lot more diversified and fun.
Meanwhile, Carowinds spend over 100 million dollars by my estimate on capital expanditure since 2015 and what do they have to show for it? The tallest gravity coaster in the world, an expanded water park along with a new area with a first for the area launched coaster. The end result was no noticeable attendance gains along with revenues still under Kings Island and Canada's Wonderland. By your variable metrics, Carowinds should easily be over 3 million guests a year, especially with the included waterpark driving attendance in the summer.
Waterpark additions are here to stay, as 3-4 millions invested on a new slide will usually drive attendance as much as a 10-15 million coaster. When do you think Six Flags Great America finally broke the 3 million guests attendance mark? In 2005 when they added Hurricane Harbor. It wasn't Batman: The Ride or Raging Bull that did, a new waterpark did.
