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The Photo TPR Has Failed To Hide
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Kevin McGuire
2021-02-21 10:58:16 UTC
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Can be seen in this video. I was given hard confirmation that the woman in the photo is Elissa Alvey. Let's hope the Alvey clan is respected enough around here to avoid any attention being given to Elissa's actions in the photo.

Alan Conceicao
2021-02-21 14:23:09 UTC
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Post by Kevin McGuire
Can be seen in this video. I was given hard confirmation that the woman in the photo is Elissa Alvey. Let's hope the Alvey clan is respected enough around here to avoid any attention being given to Elissa's actions in the photo. http://youtu.be/eQXM4hJnaC8
It doesn't matter at this point. LEGEND HAS IT that Will Koch used the same footage you're using - and you're not even including all the clips of Elissa pretending to stand up or leave her seat, of which there's piles at different parks - at IAAPA during a workshop in 2003 or so. They were persona non grata for a short period of time, and then the exposure of their channel turned out to be worth it. Everyone who was in charge at Holiday World in 2003 is dead or replaced. Sean hasn't been PR director for 15, 16 years? And he even did an interview with me discussing the accident that you can download and listen to at your leisure.

Good luck accomplishing much of anything regarding someone's death at a theme park two decades ago.
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2021-03-05 05:02:45 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 06:23:09 -0800 (PST), Alan Conceicao
Post by Alan Conceicao
Post by Kevin McGuire
Can be seen in this video. I was given hard confirmation that the woman in the photo is Elissa Alvey. Let's hope the Alvey clan is respected enough around here to avoid any attention being given to Elissa's actions in the photo. http://youtu.be/eQXM4hJnaC8
It doesn't matter at this point. LEGEND HAS IT that Will Koch used the same footage you're using - and you're not even including all the clips of Elissa pretending to stand up or leave her seat, of which there's piles at different parks - at IAAPA during a workshop in 2003 or so. They were persona non grata for a short period of time, and then the exposure of their channel turned out to be worth it. Everyone who was in charge at Holiday World in 2003 is dead or replaced. Sean hasn't been PR director for 15, 16 years? And he even did an interview with me discussing the accident that you can download and listen to at your leisure.
Good luck accomplishing much of anything regarding someone's death at a theme park two decades ago.
Nearly everyone riding that night had their lapbars up that high. I know
that I did. The park allowed it. Big whoop. Sadly, Will's dead, so I'm
not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

The lapbar is not being held up, as you falsely claim. No one that I saw
held up their lapbar. You didn't need a strap to hold it up (which
hopefully no one would do now - but I did see it done back in that era by
multiple people on multiple occasions at several different parks), unless
it comes down during the ride. If you had pictures of a lanyard holding up
a bar, I'm sure you would have included it in the video. If you don't
actively pull the bar down, that's the position it would be in in the
station and as you're leaving. Well, actually, that's the position it
would be in when the rider or operator pulled it down so that it clicked
once - which the park allowed at the time and didn't set off any warning
sensors. In that picture, they're immediately leaving the station.

If your seatbelt is on, the ride is still safe. The lapbar is a secondary
restraint as a backup for the seatbelt, if it were to fail.

Fellner took off her seatbelt after the train left the station. When the
train arrived back in the station without Fellner,, the belt buckles were
tucked into the sides of her seat, which could not happen by accident. She
was also seen pushing herself out of the seat on the first hill.

Sean "changed his story" when more information came out about the
seatbelts. That's what people do when they get new information.

She WAS careless. If she had not taken her seatbelt off, she would not
have died.


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Marshall
2021-03-05 12:19:29 UTC
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If your seatbelt is on, the ride is still safe. The lapbar is a secondary
restraint as a backup for the seatbelt, if it were to fail.
Not that it matters but, the seatbelt is the secondary restraint to the lap bar.

This is the primary example of what happens when industries cater to entitled "children"
Alan Conceicao
2021-03-06 16:33:53 UTC
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Good luck accomplishing much of anything regarding someone's death at a theme park two decades ago.
Nearly everyone riding that night had their lapbars up that high. I know
that I did. The park allowed it. Big whoop. Sadly, Will's dead, so I'm
not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
Fun fact: Stark Raven Mad ran from 1995-2003. That's a 9 year run.

Holiwood Nights started in, what, 2006? It's been run every year since, even 2020. This is year 16 in a row. It's lasted substantially longer than SRM did. In short, this is the most ancient of history. There are enthusiasts with Youtube channels who weren't even alive in 2003.
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