2017 Closures

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"Twilight Zone Tower of Terror" at DCA - January 2017. Reopening as "Guardians of the Galaxy -- Mission: BREAKOUT!" in Summer 2017.

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Whaaa?? I know it's not the iconic one in Disney World but isn't ToT pretty popular??

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Whaaa?? I know it's not the iconic one in Disney World but isn't ToT pretty popular??

Yeah, but there are already tarps around the ride building and the sign is gone. It's scheduled to run until January 2nd, so still a 2017 closure.

They've been doing something called "Late Checkout" where they run it with all the lights off in the evening as a final kick before closing.

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They better never touch the one in Florida.

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They already removed the 4-D room.

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Whaaa?? I know it's not the iconic one in Disney World but isn't ToT pretty popular??

Yeah, but there are already tarps around the ride building and the sign is gone. It's scheduled to run until January 2nd, so still a 2017 closure.
They've been doing something called "Late Checkout" where they run it with all the lights off in the evening as a final kick before closing.

On the Unofficial Disney Dish podcast, Jim Hill gave some good background on this. After DCA opened and flopped, the company was scrambling to add attractions that would boost attendance and this was one of the results. They were trying to do it as quickly as possible, so the elaborate parts were eliminated to get it done faster. Apparently the ride doesn't inspire the same fanaticism that the WDW version does.

I got a chance to ride it for the last time last month and it was a lot of fun, even without the 4D room. There was a father and son pair with matching "Save the Tower" shirts, but that was the extent of any protest that I saw, and the building was already being wrapped up in fabric construction covers and scaffolding. Hopefully the new version will be cool.

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Verruckt is now officially defunct. Add to that Thunder River Rapids at Dreamworld.

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Aussie World's wooden mouse has closed.

And then there were four...

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Aussie World's wooden mouse has closed.
And then there were four...

Why? Future?

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Aussie World's wooden mouse has closed.
And then there were four...

Why? Future?

No idea...

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Aussie World's wooden mouse has closed.
And then there were four...

Why? Future?

No idea...

bummer

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Too soon to add Dollywood to this?

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I heard there's no damage to Dollywood as of now, but even if it did as a result of this, that would be a 2016 closure.

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One Ocean at SeaWorld San Diego closes today

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Artegon Mall - entire mall, which includes a blacklight mini golf (pretty good course), and a ropes course. The movie theater and Bass Pro Shop only will remain open.

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Artegon Mall - entire mall, which includes a blacklight mini golf (pretty good course), and a ropes course. The movie theater and Bass Pro Shop only will remain open.

Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus. I shop online at Amazon, and visit Costco, also buy my gas there. I used to visit Whole Foods a lot, but Publix started stocking organic, and they also have a produce wall. I even get lower gas prices with my Costco card.

That's a lot of land for a Cinemark and Bass Pro Shop. Looking at the location on maps.google.com, FunSpot could almost go up and over. Look at the little sliver of land Funspot has, and then imagine if they had the mall property. And I'm sure Universal would love to link that in with all their WnW land and build a resort on it. Bass and Cinemark have to be holding out for a big pay day from Universal. The only thing is getting a road going across I-4 to Kirkman Road, which eventually could be done. Or an overhead monorail leading to the Citywalk area. This is similar to Disneyland buying all the land to the east and using it for parking overflow. They get little pieces of property here and there, but not the big square they need.

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Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus.

Maybe in America?

I spent thirty-five minutes trying to find a parking space at the Dubai Mall yesterday. That would tend to suggest that malls have a good few years to go yet!

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While the Festival Bay/Artegon Mall has always struggled with attendance, other nearby malls- Millennia Mall and Florida Mall, are always busy. Florida Mall had a huge expansion last year, in fact.

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Cabana rentals at Magic Kingdom

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Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus

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Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus

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Hall Of Presidents - Obama version

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Rumor from Screamscape...
Carowinds - White Water Falls.

I can see this, because looking at the google satellite map, WWF is surrounded by water park attractions. Why have an old school water ride that requires shirt/shoes, probably costs a lot to maintain, not many people go on it.

I've been to Carowinds many times, and you know how many times I've been on this ride? Zero.

Ed Hart can do the same thing at Kentucky Kingdom, removed Mile High Falls and they have room for another coaster next to Storm Chaser. Remove Raging River Rapids and they have room for more water attractions. Only thing they need to do next is send T3 to China. They won't do this, so then you'll have T3 in the middle of a bunch of water attractions. It's already surrounded now, but they have a bunch of room behind it if they level the show building. No one is going to walk back there to see a show. Bring up maps.google.com and check the satellite image.

These old school water rides are done (Flumes, Rafts).

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Hall Of Presidents - Obama version

Rumor from Screamscape...
Carowinds - White Water Falls.
I can see this, because looking at the google satellite map, WWF is surrounded by water park attractions. Why have an old school water ride that requires shirt/shoes, probably costs a lot to maintain, not many people go on it.
I've been to Carowinds many times, and you know how many times I've been on this ride? Zero.

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These old school water rides are done (Flumes, Rafts).

I wonder how many people have destroyed their cell phones by getting soaked on a water ride, and how much of their decline is due to people worried about said phones.

I know I personally don't go on raft rides anymore. The only water ride I'll ride is a log flume because they don't tend to get you soaked. Not just because of the danger to my phone (I can always bring a ziplock bag), but because I don't want to walk around with soggy clothes for an hour.

If I want to get wet, I'll put on a bathing suit and go to the water park.

Which reminds me, I didn't spend nearly enough time at Soak City while I worked at Cedar Point. I spend two full summers there and only went there twice.

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I bring a zip lock bag to pretty much any park I go to, this way I can ride water rides if I choose. I'm in Florida and we get rain a lot during the year, often quite out of the blue, so I usually just have one in my pocket anyway.

But it certainly may be due to phones that water rides have declined in popularity. The summer before Tidal wave closed, I was at Busch Gardens Tampa, it was the middle of the day, and the ride was literally a walk on. The boats were not even full! Middle of the summer in Florida and it was pretty crowded day!!!!! Crazy.

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But it certainly may be due to phones that water rides have declined in popularity. The summer before Tidal wave closed, I was at Busch Gardens Tampa, it was the middle of the day, and the ride was literally a walk on. The boats were not even full! Middle of the summer in Florida and it was pretty crowded day!!!!! Crazy.

Has to be a combination since you guys are mentioning the cell phones. With me, it's about not wanting my shirt soaked and my shoes water logged. If your shoes and socks are wet, your feet turn white and the skin comes off, not fun. For men, the shirt rubs against the boobs and causes sores. If I go on these water rides, it's at the end of the day, or if I'm leaving to go to the hotel room. For example, when I rode Perilous Plunge at Knotts, I was staying at Knotts hotel and was ok with getting soaked, but honestly, that ride was a one and done. In a previous visit to BGT, we actually brought in a change of cloths using lockers. We did this one time, in future visits we didn't bother with the water rides. They were basically a one and done.

Sometimes you can go on a water ride and get lucky, not much splash. This happens on Journey to Atlantis at SWO if you sit in the back row. The people in the front get soaked when the boat drops into that dip. It's funny because most of the time, the people in the front don't know it's coming. Why do they leave that dip? Those people in the front who get soaked will never ride it again, unless they go for the back.

At Disney, the raft rides at both parks are good because you don't get soaked, but there is still a chance of a wall of water coming in and drenching your shorts. Most people are ok with this and go on the ride. But some still have those plastic ponchos on.

The big white water fall rides like the one removed at Busch Gardens, and the rumored one at Carowinds, they completely soak the people. I have no desire to go on these. The big drop isn't much fun, there's no air time, and you get soaked.

On my last visit to Cedar Point, I did a coaster and thrill ride tour, going on 31 out of 32 rides in 1.5 days. I went on zero water rides.

No one cares about these rides any more. And what's messed up, is at some parks, these water rides are on opposite sides of the park. For example, look at the satellite images of Carowinds and Kentucky Kingdom. There's a white water raft (flume) on one side of the the park, and then the raging river raft (circle) on the other.

I think that one by one, they go, because we're seeing them removed. The parts are probably expensive to replace, probably have to be fabricated in a machine shop from scratch. Ridership is down, and they take up a bunch of land that could be used for something new.

The future would be the Holiday World version. The people come in carrying a towel. They drop of their cloths at the water park, go on the coasters, then the water park attractions. This also happens at Kentucky Kingdom. When the park opens, there is no running of the bulls. Everyone is heading to the water park to find a place to sit, then they go on the coasters. This is why if you visit Kentucky Kingdom at the open, you can get a bunch of exit re-rides on Storm Chaser before the GP shows up.

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But it certainly may be due to phones that water rides have declined in popularity. The summer before Tidal wave closed, I was at Busch Gardens Tampa, it was the middle of the day, and the ride was literally a walk on. The boats were not even full! Middle of the summer in Florida and it was pretty crowded day!!!!! Crazy.

Has to be a combination since you guys are mentioning the cell phones. With me, it's about not wanting my shirt soaked and my shoes water logged. If your shoes and socks are wet, your feet turn white and the skin comes off, not fun. For men, the shirt rubs against the boobs and causes sores. If I go on these water rides, it's at the end of the day, or if I'm leaving to go to the hotel room. For example, when I rode Perilous Plunge at Knotts, I was staying at Knotts hotel and was ok with getting soaked, but honestly, that ride was a one and done. In a previous visit to BGT, we actually brought in a change of cloths using lockers. We did this one time, in future visits we didn't bother with the water rides. They were basically a one and done.
Sometimes you can go on a water ride and get lucky, not much splash. This happens on Journey to Atlantis at SWO if you sit in the back row. The people in the front get soaked when the boat drops into that dip. It's funny because most of the time, the people in the front don't know it's coming. Why do they leave that dip? Those people in the front who get soaked will never ride it again, unless they go for the back.
At Disney, the raft rides at both parks are good because you don't get soaked, but there is still a chance of a wall of water coming in and drenching your shorts. Most people are ok with this and go on the ride. But some still have those plastic ponchos on.
The big white water fall rides like the one removed at Busch Gardens, and the rumored one at Carowinds, they completely soak the people. I have no desire to go on these. The big drop isn't much fun, there's no air time, and you get soaked.
On my last visit to Cedar Point, I did a coaster and thrill ride tour, going on 31 out of 32 rides in 1.5 days. I went on zero water rides.
No one cares about these rides any more. And what's messed up, is at some parks, these water rides are on opposite sides of the park. For example, look at the satellite images of Carowinds and Kentucky Kingdom. There's a white water raft (flume) on one side of the the park, and then the raging river raft (circle) on the other.
I think that one by one, they go, because we're seeing them removed. The parts are probably expensive to replace, probably have to be fabricated in a machine shop from scratch. Ridership is down, and they take up a bunch of land that could be used for something new.
The future would be the Holiday World version. The people come in carrying a towel. They drop of their cloths at the water park, go on the coasters, then the water park attractions. This also happens at Kentucky Kingdom. When the park opens, there is no running of the bulls. Everyone is heading to the water park to find a place to sit, then they go on the coasters. This is why if you visit Kentucky Kingdom at the open, you can get a bunch of exit re-rides on Storm Chaser before the GP shows up.

River Rapids, which I just wrote a lot about, are rides I will always go on at a park. Shoot the Chutes? No. They are just too simple and the fact you don't even have the fun cruise through trees and what not from Flumes make them really bad one trick ponies.

Look at a River Rapids attraction: you have so many styles and layouts they are like coasters in their complexity. Riding an early Intamin River Rapids like Roaring Rapids at Six Flags Magic Mountain is a completely different thing than say Raging River at Great Escape. Then, you have Hopkins who usually have good rapid action and the Hafema who add tricks like drops and whirlpools to spice things up. Over in Europe and Asia, you even have other manufacturers who came up with different things.

I still think the dumbest decision a park ever did is Hersheypark removing Canyon River Rapids for the wave pool/lazy river expansion. You had those wet/dry slides across the way from your waterpark... why not add the wave pool and lazy river there and keep the Rapids as a high capacity waterpark attraction? Fahrenheit is barely ok and has no capacity.

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I think Fahrenheit is awful and also agree that Hersheypark should've kept their rapids. Only problem was it was an older model with 6 person rafts.

BGT's Tidal Wave was great compared to other shoot the Chute rides because it had a long scenic ride before the lift. That scenic ride part was leftover from an older scenic boat ride that once took up that space. But I agree, most are boring and I almost always skip them, other than BGT's and of course the Jurassic Park rides at the Universal parks.

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Bates Brothers Carnival (entire show) after the 2017 season. This includes the unique wing coaster "G Force". It's a pretty bad shuttle coaster honestly, but very unique. Never saw another like it. Rode it at the 2008 Florida State Fair.

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Bates Amusements is closing after the 2017 season. Not sure if they operate any coasters?

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Bates Amusements is closing after the 2017 season. Not sure if they operate any coasters?

Wacky Worm and the wing shuttle you mentioned earlier. By the same token, no mention of ARM....

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Bates Amusements is closing after the 2017 season. Not sure if they operate any coasters?

Wacky Worm and the wing shuttle you mentioned earlier. By the same token, no mention of ARM.... >>>>

Apparently, I got the companies confused, and the Bates Brothers, who owns the G Force, is staying in business, while Bates Amusements, a separate company, is the one that's closing. That's why I deleted my earlier post.

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I think Fahrenheit is awful and also agree that Hersheypark should've kept their rapids. Only problem was it was an older model with 6 person rafts.
BGT's Tidal Wave was great compared to other shoot the Chute rides because it had a long scenic ride before the lift. That scenic ride part was leftover from an older scenic boat ride that once took up that space. But I agree, most are boring and I almost always skip them, other than BGT's and of course the Jurassic Park rides at the Universal parks.

Canyon River Rapids being an older model with 6 person rafts is not an issue. Many parks around the world still run theirs efficiently with a lot of boats and you have awesome capacity.

On the subject of River Rapids, might I direct your attention to the article I just published? https://parkvault.net/2017/01/28/rattlesnake-renegade-and-blizzard-rivers-part-8-of-our-look-at-river-rapids/ I talk about Hopkins and various installations around the world. If you go back, I published 7 articles before talking about Intamin and Hafema rapids too.

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Disneyquest - closing early July 2017

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Blue Horizons at SeaWorld Orlando. Closing March 31, getting replaced by a Dolphin Days on April 1.

Blue Horizons is an amazing show, sad to see this one go.

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La Nouba (Cirque de Soleil show) at Disney Springs - last show December 31, 2017. Will be replaced by a new Cirque show next year.

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Post by DJ Wiza
If I want to get wet, I'll put on a bathing suit and go to the water park.

Thats the reason right there. When the GP wants to get wet, they go to the wet side of the park. If parks were smart, all these rides would be a part of the waterparks.

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Which reminds me, I didn't spend nearly enough time at Soak City while I worked at Cedar Point. I spend two full summers there and only went there twice.

You didnt miss anything. Absolute WORST waterpark in the nation and an abomination that it was a separate gate until the last expansion. As of last year it was a midpack park and still an abomination that they charged extra for it...

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If I want to get wet, I'll put on a bathing suit and go to the water park.

Thats the reason right there. When the GP wants to get wet, they go to the wet side of the park. If parks were smart, all these rides would be a part of the waterparks.

This, the problem is the water rides are on opposite sides of the park at Carowinds, Kentucky Kingdom, and at CP they along Frontier Trail. It would cost a ton of money to move these rides.

The biggest problem is rides like that require shirt and SHOES to ride. Sure, most people take their shoes and put them in the middle compartment on the river raft ride like Rip Saw Falls at IOA. Other versions of this ride have no compartment in the middle, only the bar where people put their feet up. For a White Water (Flume) ride, people have to climb in to the boat. If someone was barefoot and slipped, that would be lawsuit city. That's why people must have shoes on when entering a raft or flume type ride.

Yet for the water coasters at Holiday World, it's perfectly fine to be barefoot and guys to only have swim trunks on for the 2 major water coasters. You don't climb into a boat, you sit down on a raft.

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skiguy777 <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-5, ***@aol.com wrote:
: > Hall Of Presidents - Obama version
:
: Rumor from Screamscape...
: Carowinds - White Water Falls.
:
: I can see this, because looking at the google satellite map, WWF is
: surrounded by water park attractions. Why have an old school water ride
: that requires shirt/shoes, probably costs a lot to maintain, not many
: people go on it.

They are also expensive to operate. Pumping large volumes of water isn't
exactly cheap. Before Top Thrill Dragster, the biggest electric bill at
Cedar Point belonged to Thunder Canyon. And...what do you know? The drive
system on Dragster works basically the same way, pumping a huge volume of
fluid against a large load.
:
: Ed Hart can do the same thing at Kentucky Kingdom, removed Mile High
: Falls and they have room for another coaster next to Storm Chaser.

Actually, Mile High Falls is located directly opposite (well, there is a
little bit of intervening midway...) one of the gates to the waterpark. I
could even see the park taking the stuff in the Belgian Village (the Flying
Dutchman and the Carousel) and relocating down the midway towards Storm
Chaser, and expanding the waterpark into that area, connecting it to Mile
High Falls. Which, by the way, was drawing a crowd last summer when I
visited.

The problem with that idea is that there is still the Roller Skater there,
plus last season they reactivated the crosswalk between the Roller Skater
and the Enterprise, giving us a nice alternative to walking across the Damn
Bridge.

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Lake Compounce Skyride

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Lake Compounce Skyride

Really? They're taking out the ride? That's so iconic for the park!
And pretty unique, too. How many parks have a skyride up into the
mountains besides Knoebels?



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Lake Compounce Skyride

How many parks have a skyride up into the
mountains besides Knoebels?
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the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
David, did you ever get to visit Ghost Town in the Sky in Maggie Valley, North Carolina ? In my opinion, their skyride to the top of the mountain to ride the Red Devil roller coaster was one of the most extreme ever.

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Lake Compounce Skyride

How many parks have a skyride up into the
mountains besides Knoebels?
"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
David, did you ever get to visit Ghost Town in the Sky in Maggie Valley, North Carolina ? In my opinion, their skyride to the top of the mountain to ride the Red Devil roller coaster was one of the most extreme ever.

I actually planned to visit one time when I was in the area on a coaster
trip. Unfortunately, they didn't manage to get the coaster running in time
for my visit. So I didn't go and spent more time at Dollywood, I think.

Never managed to make it back.


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Universe Of Energy, Epcot
Great Movie Ride, Disney's Hollywood Studios

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Georgia Cyclone

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Georgia Cyclone

<3 <3 <3

While its extremely unlikely I *wouldn't* make it to OG next year.... this ((RMC)) is gonna be a very nice bonus :D

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Im hoping now that Fun Spot owns Fun Junction now, there'll be a wood coaster in their near future. I haven't been to the Atlanta area since 2009, but it looks like there'll be a lot of reasons to go again in the near future.

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Im hoping now that Fun Spot owns Fun Junction now, there'll be a wood coaster in their near future. I haven't been to the Atlanta area since 2009, but it looks like there'll be a lot of reasons to go again in the near future.

Six Flags heard me complain over and over that they owed 4 parks an RMC. Now they'll owe 3.

SFNJ - Probably won't happen, but they could send Green Lantern to another park giving it the floorless treatment, put some grass down, and build the RMC in that spot.
SFSTL - Deserves an RMC whether it's new (Steel) or a conversion.
SFA - Pfffft.

Fun Junction reminds of Boomers down here in Dania Beach FL, now closed. Too bad the Dania Beach Hurricane is already torn down, that would have been a good coaster to move there. Boomers was more of a kid place where parents had birthday parties. Whether people from Atlanta will drive that far on a regular basis is yet to be seen.

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With three wood coasters, I wouldn't be surprised if SFSTL gets an RMC conversion in the near future. I'd guess the Boss would get it. Honestly, I'm not too big of a fan of RMC. Disappointed with Wicked Cyclone and Lightning Run, while intense, was almost too much for me. Had a much better time on Thunderhead my last visit.

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Power Surge, SFFT

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Dragon Challenge

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Ghost House, Adventureland, New York

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Pirate Ship at Rainbow's End, New Zealand

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skiguy777 wrote: "Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus."

Stereotyping again, are we?

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skiguy777 wrote: "Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus."
Stereotyping again, are we?

I think malls are indeed losing in popularity, but e-commerce still only represents less than 10% of U.S. retail sales: http://bit.ly/2mnUwlp.

It's true that first ring surburbs, where many malls were originally built, are becoming poorer, but the findings are nuanced. For example, racial groups are less concentrated in particular geographic city rings than before. See this study from the Univ. of Virginia: http://bit.ly/2mnGGjf

Frequent posts by skiguy777 on this bboard show that he is earnestly racist. He often trots out "data" showing IQs of various racial/ethnic groups, and he believes it. He frequently smears ethnic groups here, especially black Americans, and he has claimed that Europe is completely overrun with terrorist refugees. Interestingly, he often contradicts himself, stating that Jews are smarter than everyone else, but refusing to listen to the Jews on this bboard who point out that his "data" is flawed.

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skiguy777 wrote: "Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus."
Stereotyping again, are we?

I think malls are indeed losing in popularity, but e-commerce still only represents less than 10% of U.S. retail sales: http://bit.ly/2mnUwlp.
It's true that first ring surburbs, where many malls were originally built, are becoming poorer, but the findings are nuanced. For example, racial groups are less concentrated in particular geographic city rings than before. See this study from the Univ. of Virginia: http://bit.ly/2mnGGjf

If anything, a lot of minorities are moving from the inner city to the
suburbs. Sometimes, it's from moving up and wanting to raise families in
safer areas with better schools. But more often, it's because the inner
cities are simply becoming too expensive for poor people to afford to live.

I used to live in Boston's South End, a neighborhood that before the
mid-80's was largely black and Latino. But in the 80's and 90's the area
became largely gentrified. Other than a few specific places with legally
restricted affordable housing, it's nearly impossible to find affordable
housing anywhere in the area now. If you could find a studio apartment for
under $1500 or a 1-bedroom for under $2000, that's a very good deal! A 2-3
bedroom apartment for a family is going to cost $3000 and up. Poor
families can't afford that!

I now live in South Boston, a neighborhood made famous in the movies for
its poor and working class Irish families, and the Irish mob. Through the
80's and 90's that was still the case, but slowly, prices have been
creeping up and smaller houses are getting torn down and replaced with 5+
story buildings with apartments starting at $3000. Other than in the east
side, where a lot of families owned their houses, most of the families have
moved out, in favor of post-graduate yuppies. Last Halloween, I didn't
even get one kid trick or treating. Not even one.

Meanwhile, Randolph, the Boston suburb where I grew up, which was probably
over 95% white in the 80's, has seen a growing influx of Black and Latino
families.

Cities are changing quickly, especially on the East and West coasts.



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the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

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Post by milst1

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skiguy777 wrote: "Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus."
Stereotyping again, are we?

I think malls are indeed losing in popularity, but e-commerce still only represents less than 10% of U.S. retail sales: http://bit.ly/2mnUwlp.
It's true that first ring surburbs, where many malls were originally built, are becoming poorer, but the findings are nuanced. For example, racial groups are less concentrated in particular geographic city rings than before. See this study from the Univ. of Virginia: http://bit.ly/2mnGGjf

If anything, a lot of minorities are moving from the inner city to the
suburbs. Sometimes, it's from moving up and wanting to raise families in
safer areas with better schools. But more often, it's because the inner
cities are simply becoming too expensive for poor people to afford to live.
I used to live in Boston's South End, a neighborhood that before the
mid-80's was largely black and Latino. But in the 80's and 90's the area
became largely gentrified. Other than a few specific places with legally
restricted affordable housing, it's nearly impossible to find affordable
housing anywhere in the area now. If you could find a studio apartment for
under $1500 or a 1-bedroom for under $2000, that's a very good deal! A 2-3
bedroom apartment for a family is going to cost $3000 and up. Poor
families can't afford that!
I now live in South Boston, a neighborhood made famous in the movies for
its poor and working class Irish families, and the Irish mob. Through the
80's and 90's that was still the case, but slowly, prices have been
creeping up and smaller houses are getting torn down and replaced with 5+
story buildings with apartments starting at $3000. Other than in the east
side, where a lot of families owned their houses, most of the families have
moved out, in favor of post-graduate yuppies. Last Halloween, I didn't
even get one kid trick or treating. Not even one.
Meanwhile, Randolph, the Boston suburb where I grew up, which was probably
over 95% white in the 80's, has seen a growing influx of Black and Latino
families.
Cities are changing quickly, especially on the East and West coasts.
"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

Yep. I read the article posted by milist1. I wouldn't call it doughnut holes, but more about "sides" of a city where each racial group settles. For your Boston example and the City of Randolph, yes, that's is now all black. Boston and Chicago have a pad part of town, and it's on the South side. It's just that we don't hear about a bunch of people being shot in Boston yet (like they are in Chicago). Cleveland is on the east. The racial map shows this.
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/census/2010/explorer.html
We'll have to wait a few years for the 2020 census data to come out and the map to be updated. Racial groups do not co-exist and sing kumbaya.

I do agree that whites are coming back to city centers because they're sick of driving long distances, and they can afford expensive apartments in high rise buildings (similar to NYC). The buildings have cameras and they're locked, so the thieves move outwards to single family homes where people leave their cars unlocked. Every night before I go to bed, I make sure my car is locked. I've captured people on my security camera walking through the neighborhood going from car to car. Security lights don't phase them in the least, and they don't seem to care that cameras are on. They go from car to car checking.

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Boomerang at Knotts- April 23, 2017

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As far as Boomerang closing, I think we should all breathe a sigh of relief as it could've easily been Montezooma's Revenge closing instead (I'm actually surprised it isn't).

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As far as Boomerang closing, I think we should all breathe a sigh of relief
as it could've easily been Montezooma's Revenge closing instead
(I'm actually surprised it isn't).

They never replaced the adjoining RipTide so maybe they'll join the two plots. The Calico Mine Ride is safe (I assume) but the shops (Panda Express, funnel cakes), ballroom and employee area next to Boomerang could be demolished/relocated for a fairly large plot of land, all things considered.

Monte sits on that narrow strip of land between Fiesta Village and Camp Snoopy (formerly the front of the park) and unless something goes wrong with it mechanically I'd assume they're happy to have it wedged in there, unless there's something I don't know. Next year is Monte's 40th anniversary.

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Isn't the previously announced Top Scan going in RipTide's spot? (I could be wrong)

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Isn't the previously announced Top Scan going in RipTide's spot? (I could be wrong)

No, it's going in Windseeker's old spot in Fiesta Village. Sol Spin.

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Oh ok.

[David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply]

Lol at all your bigoted bullshit.

You have NO concept of what city life is actually about.

But like so many Trump voters, you think you know better than those of us
who've lived here for decades what's actually happening here.

Side note: any idiot who doesn't lock his or her car -- a personal
possession worth thousands of dollars -- deserves to have it stolen!


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT), skiguy777

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Post by milst1

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skiguy777 wrote: "Traditional malls are done. The type of crowd that goes there is minorities who ride the bus."
Stereotyping again, are we?

I think malls are indeed losing in popularity, but e-commerce still only represents less than 10% of U.S. retail sales: http://bit.ly/2mnUwlp.
It's true that first ring surburbs, where many malls were originally built, are becoming poorer, but the findings are nuanced. For example, racial groups are less concentrated in particular geographic city rings than before. See this study from the Univ. of Virginia: http://bit.ly/2mnGGjf

If anything, a lot of minorities are moving from the inner city to the
suburbs. Sometimes, it's from moving up and wanting to raise families in
safer areas with better schools. But more often, it's because the inner
cities are simply becoming too expensive for poor people to afford to live.
I used to live in Boston's South End, a neighborhood that before the
mid-80's was largely black and Latino. But in the 80's and 90's the area
became largely gentrified. Other than a few specific places with legally
restricted affordable housing, it's nearly impossible to find affordable
housing anywhere in the area now. If you could find a studio apartment for
under $1500 or a 1-bedroom for under $2000, that's a very good deal! A 2-3
bedroom apartment for a family is going to cost $3000 and up. Poor
families can't afford that!
I now live in South Boston, a neighborhood made famous in the movies for
its poor and working class Irish families, and the Irish mob. Through the
80's and 90's that was still the case, but slowly, prices have been
creeping up and smaller houses are getting torn down and replaced with 5+
story buildings with apartments starting at $3000. Other than in the east
side, where a lot of families owned their houses, most of the families have
moved out, in favor of post-graduate yuppies. Last Halloween, I didn't
even get one kid trick or treating. Not even one.
Meanwhile, Randolph, the Boston suburb where I grew up, which was probably
over 95% white in the 80's, has seen a growing influx of Black and Latino
families.
Cities are changing quickly, especially on the East and West coasts.
"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

Yep. I read the article posted by milist1. I wouldn't call it doughnut holes, but more about "sides" of a city where each racial group settles. For your Boston example and the City of Randolph, yes, that's is now all black. Boston and Chicago have a pad part of town, and it's on the South side. It's just that we don't hear about a bunch of people being shot in Boston yet (like they are in Chicago). Cleveland is on the east. The racial map shows this.
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/census/2010/explorer.html
We'll have to wait a few years for the 2020 census data to come out and the map to be updated. Racial groups do not co-exist and sing kumbaya.
I do agree that whites are coming back to city centers because they're sick of driving long distances, and they can afford expensive apartments in high rise buildings (similar to NYC). The buildings have cameras and they're locked, so the thieves move outwards to single family homes where people leave their cars unlocked. Every night before I go to bed, I make sure my car is locked. I've captured people on my security camera walking through the neighborhood going from car to car. Security lights don't phase them in the least, and they don't seem to care that cameras are on. They go from car to car checking.

"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

[ansley]

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Lol at all your bigoted bullshit.
You have NO concept of what city life is actually about.
But like so many Trump voters, you think you know better than those of us
who've lived here for decades what's actually happening here.
Side note: any idiot who doesn't lock his or her car -- a personal
possession worth thousands of dollars -- deserves to have it stolen!

When we moved into our house in VA in 2015 it had no locks on the doors, and was built in 1995. We did have locks installed, told our landlord we needed them for insurance. We purchased the home last summer. Depends on where you live, there are still extremely safe places left in the country. Last year our town had the lowest crime rate in the entire state of VA! It was actually 2/3 less crime then the 2nd safest town/city! I do lock the car doors, but we forget and probably don't have to.

Ted

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Post by ansley

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Lol at all your bigoted bullshit.
You have NO concept of what city life is actually about.
But like so many Trump voters, you think you know better than those of us
who've lived here for decades what's actually happening here.
Side note: any idiot who doesn't lock his or her car -- a personal
possession worth thousands of dollars -- deserves to have it stolen!

When we moved into our house in VA in 2015 it had no locks on the doors, and was built in 1995. We did have locks installed, told our landlord we needed them for insurance. We purchased the home last summer. Depends on where you live, there are still extremely safe places left in the country. Last year our town had the lowest crime rate in the entire state of VA! It was actually 2/3 less crime then the 2nd safest town/city! I do lock the car doors, but we forget and probably don't have to.
Ted

He was talking about not locking your car. What kind of idiot does that,
anywhere?

As to homes, we were talking about in a city. Again, what kind of idiot
would do that?

Hell, even if I lived in literally the safest city in the world, I wouldn't
consider not locking my house. I mean, exactly how much effort does it
take to lock your door? A second and a half? All i takes is once, and
EVERYTHING you own is gone. Is a few seconds of offer REALLY worth that
risk?



"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

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David, I agree. I'm from New York originally, and no matter where I'd go, I would never consider not locking anything. Heck, I lock my car each time I'm bringing groceries in my house! (Which means I'm away from my car for about 20 seconds each time)

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Iceploration at Busch Gardens Tampa - April 23

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Boardwalk Amusements, Daytona Beach, Fl, including the Sandblaster coaster.

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Boardwalk Amusements, Daytona Beach, Fl, including the Sandblaster coaster.

Honestly, I'm surprised that lasted as long as it did. The place was empty the night I was there.

-
www.themeparks.ie

[skiguy777]

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Boardwalk Amusements, Daytona Beach, Fl, including the Sandblaster coaster.

Honestly, I'm surprised that lasted as long as it did. The place was empty the night I was there.
-
www.themeparks.ie

I never even knew it was there. I can tell you why it failed right off the bat. Parking is not free ($10 or meters) and the park was land locked. If you look at the google maps over head and at the street level, you'll see this. I never go downtown or to the beach to hang out because of parking. I'm sure their rent was sky high being right on the water.

Even with resort hotels next to it, they couldn't keep going. I'm sure a few hotel guests visited, but if the locals stay away, forget it.

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Boardwalk Amusements, Daytona Beach, Fl, including the Sandblaster coaster.

Honestly, I'm surprised that lasted as long as it did. The place was empty the night I was there.

-
www.themeparks.ie <<

Good news, the park has a new operator with new rides. Park is now "Hildebrand". Most of the rides are new to the location, and the Sandblaster coaster is back open!

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Galaxi at Old Orchard Beach

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Main Street Electrical Parade at Disneyland (return engagement) - August 20.

After that, Tokyo Disneyland will be the only Disney(-branded) park running an Electrical Parade.

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It pains me to write this, my all time favorite theme park show-

Bill & Ted's Excellent Halloween Adventure (HHN show), final run this HHN season at Universal Orlando

[skiguy777]

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It pains me to write this, my all time favorite theme park show-
Bill & Ted's Excellent Halloween Adventure (HHN show), final run this HHN season at Universal Orlando

Not that I really care, but if you want to tape the show, sit in the middle under the sound booth in the back row and keep your camera down until the show starts. If the guards see you filming they'll tell you to stop and possibly have you thrown out and banned. They end up sitting up front to watch the show and don't turn around once it starts.

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It's actually pretty impossible to record the show since 2010.

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From Oaks Park's Facebook page:
Join KGW and iHeartRadio in celebrating National Roller Coaster Day by saying "goodbye" to The Looping Thunder Coaster (closing 9/24/17) and saying "hello" to Oaks' new coaster, coming in 2018!

Ken

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Join KGW and iHeartRadio in celebrating National Roller Coaster Day by saying "goodbye" to The Looping Thunder Coaster (closing 9/24/17) and saying "hello" to Oaks' new coaster, coming in 2018!
Ken

Interesting...any idea what they are adding?

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Shallow Grave (seasonal walk through haunted house in central Florida will close permanently after this haunt season)

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King Chaos, SFGAM

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Join KGW and iHeartRadio in celebrating National Roller Coaster Day by saying "goodbye" to The Looping Thunder Coaster (closing 9/24/17) and saying "hello" to Oaks' new coaster, coming in 2018!
Ken

Interesting...any idea what they are adding?

Eurofighter.

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surfdance:

Don't know if this was recorded by ride staff or a patron - 2015:

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It was recorded by a guest. Whoever this is has done this 2013-2016 and it's an amazing feat since they watch guests like a hawk in that theater.

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Terminator 2 3-D, Universal Studios Florida.
October 8.

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Log Jammer at Kennywood

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Universal's Cinematic Spectacular at Universal Studios Florida. Already closed.

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Hoo Roo Run at Aquatica

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Loggers Run, California's Great America, October 29

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Loggers Run, California's Great America, October 29

Looked at the satellite image overhead. This is located in the water park section, so they could replace with a water coaster. Next to it Rip Roarin' Rapids (raft ride), which could go as well. This would open up a ton of land for the water park side.

Then on the other side of the park is the Shoot the Chutes ride called Whitewater Falls. This is where I thought the RMC raptor was going, but they squeezed it into the little space next the bridge.

These Old Skool water rides can go. Even if they're next to the water park, it doesn't work because people have to wear shirt and shoes. These rides are outdated, their life span is over.

If they remove Whitewater falls, Demon, and possibly Grizzy, they could build a Giga/Hyper or an Intamin Maverick. There's plenty of space to upgrade this park if they get rid of the old that is outdated.

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The amount of flumes and similar rides that have been closing recently is crazy.

[Marshall]

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The amount of flumes and similar rides that have been closing recently is crazy.

I wonder if the spate of accidents on water rides had driven insurance rates thru the roof. You cant prevent the peeps from stupidity by locking them in when there is a risk of capsizing...

[skiguy777]

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The amount of flumes and similar rides that have been closing recently is crazy.

I wonder if the spate of accidents on water rides had driven insurance rates thru the roof. You cant prevent the peeps from stupidity by locking them in when there is a risk of capsizing...

I dunno. On one side there's people who think of these rides as classics. There was a movie about KD that Tyler made, and one person says he grew up with the flume ride.

Great documentary. They actually show a 1st time rider having FUN on I-305.
I also heard people talking about an interview where the suits said they wanted to keep the flume rides. It would be a good question to ask the suits which rides cost the most to maintain and operate.

But on my side, all of these water rides can go, especially the raft rides since they flip over. Cedar Point only has their raft ride left (Thunder Caynon 1986 ) and Snake River Falls (huge Flume Ride 1993), and honestly they should get rid of them. Snake River Falls is 23 years old, Thunder Caynon is 31 years old.

All the SF and Cedar Fair parks have "matured" and need the old rides to go. Yet they only do one ride a year in each park if that. All the Cedar Fair parks should be following the timeline of Cedar Point, but only 3-4 parks are marque, the rest are step children. Six Flags is littering their parks with Larson Loopers, S&S Free Spins, and the Skywarps, and Tourbillions, basically flat rides. Yet all these parks are keeping the Old Skool rides on my page here that are 40+ years old.
http://www.nogodforme.com/USA_Old_Skool_Rides.htm

This one ride a year at each park is pathetic. Some parks get nothing. Dorney park announced a restaurant, weeeee. Michigan's Adventure got a park bench (nothing). Yet Disney is completely transforming their parks building entire worlds. Too bad the rides are family.

What I'd want to see happen at each Cedar Fair and Six Flags park, is for all the old skool rides to go, updated with something new. Take out a water ride, and put in a water coaster in that section of the park. That's what Hershey is doing adding the 2 water attractions.

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Finish Fling at Worlds Of Fun, October 29

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Finish Fling at Worlds Of Fun, October 29

Cedar Point - Sandcastle Suites Hotel, and the restaurant next to it. This is located at the farthest north end of the peninsula. They could continue the water park over there. Or build another resort property like Lance thinks. A new resort would increase hotel capacity and probably make more money than putting the water park over there. But it is weird that the latest water park expansion didn't include any water coasters. Or we could really go crazy and say they're going to remove Magnum, build the Fury325 giga, and have it go to that section of land around a new resort that's 10 stories tall. They could build a Vegas style tower with a parking garage. This is similar to what Universal is doing with their new resorts. Or we could take it one step farther and say new hotel, parking garage, and polar coaster structure on top.

Cedar Point - Extreme Sports Stadium. Never watched a show, never even been in that stadium. What could go here? More kiddie rides? They're not getting rid of Windseeker, but they should. Or a new flat ride. An RMC raptor would fit in this spot because there's a lot of space with the walk way next to Windseeker.

Check out the overhead satellite image.

[DJ Wiza]

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Finish Fling at Worlds Of Fun, October 29

Cedar Point - Sandcastle Suites Hotel, and the restaurant next to it. This is located at the farthest north end of the peninsula. They could continue the water park over there. Or build another resort property like Lance thinks. A new resort would increase hotel capacity and probably make more money than putting the water park over there. But it is weird that the latest water park expansion didn't include any water coasters. Or we could really go crazy and say they're going to remove Magnum, build the Fury325 giga, and have it go to that section of land around a new resort that's 10 stories tall. They could build a Vegas style tower with a parking garage. This is similar to what Universal is doing with their new resorts. Or we could take it one step farther and say new hotel, parking garage, and polar coaster structure on top.
Cedar Point - Extreme Sports Stadium. Never watched a show, never even been in that stadium. What could go here? More kiddie rides? They're not getting rid of Windseeker, but they should. Or a new flat ride. An RMC raptor would fit in this spot because there's a lot of space with the walk way next to Windseeker.

The suggestion that they'd remove Magnum is laughable. I don't think expanding the water park into the old Sandcastle Suites site is likely, either. Building a new resort with higher capacity is where I'd put my money.

As for the stadium, not really sure they could certainly move Tiki Twirl and possibly Giant Wheel and fit something there.

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Stinger at Dorney Park is being removed. Announced today on their website.

[skiguy777]

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Stinger at Dorney Park is being removed. Announced today on their website.

Right, the suits must have seen my page making fun of them for announcing a restaurant at a water park. Good Riddance, when visiting KI I never go on Invertigo. The line is too long or it's broken. I think they flat out scrap it, don't even send it to MA or China.

That announcement and comments I wrote in the YouTube videos got me thinking. The TPFR people keep responding these rides are "classics" and they will be missed. Give me a break. These people are the reason why we get nothing new, or get a carnival coaster, or a kiddie ride, or a park bench.

I updated my attendance page to have the last time a park got a traditional coaster, not carnival. One can see that SF and CF try to keep the parks up to date, but some parks can go years before they get something good (step children). If I was a suit, I'd be looking at this list because that's the competition.

http://www.nogodforme.com/USA_Park_Coaster_Attendance_Results.htm

Let's look at SF V. CF for 2018 and the last major coaster (not carnival or kiddie). This doesn't include the 2018 rides that haven't opened yet. It is interesting to see what parks are over due for something real.

Six Flags
SFMM - Crazanity (Giant Zamperela Discovery) (2015 - Twisted Colossus)
SFNJ - Cyborg Cyber Spin (Tourbillon 3 Axis Flat Ride) (2006 - El Toro)
SFGAm - Larson Looper (Flat Ride) (2014 - Goliath)
SFoT - Harley Quinn Spinsanity (Tourbillon 3 Axis Flat Ride) (2011 - New Texas Giant)
SFoG - Twisted Cyclone (RMC) (2006 - Goliath)
SFNE - Harley Quinn Spinsanity (Giant Zamperela Discovery) (2015 - Wicked Cyclone)
SFFT - Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster (RMC Raptor) (2013 - Iron Rattler)
SFDK - Harley Quinn Crazy Coaster (Skywarp Figure 8 Flat Ride) (2016 - The Joker)
SFA - Wahoo River (Lazy River) (2000 - S:ROS)
SFSTL - Typhoon Twister (Water Slide) (2008 - American Thunder)
SFGE - Pandemonium (Chance Rides Freestyle Spinning Flat Ride) (1994 - Comet)

Cedar Fair
Cedar Point - Steel Vengeance (RMC) (2016 - Valravn)
Carowinds - Camp Snoopy (Playground, 5 Kiddie Rides) (2015 - Fury325)
Kings Island - ??? (2017 - Mystic Timbers)
Kings Dominion - Twisted Timbers (RMC) (2010 - Intimidator 305)
Dorney Park - Tidal Wave Café (Dorney Park Announced a Restaurant) (2005 - Hydra The Revenge)
California's Great America - Railblazer (RMC Raptor) (2013 - Gold Striker)
Knotts Berry Farm - Hangtime (Gerstlauer Carnival Coaster) (2004 - Silver Bullet)
Worlds of Fun - Nordic Chaser (Flat Ride) (2009 - Prowler)
Valley Fair - Delirious (Larson Looper Flat Ride) (2007 - Renegade)
Michigan's Adventure - A Park Bench (1998 - Shivering Timbers)

Disney
Magic Kingdom (2014 - Seven Dwarfs Mine Train)
Disneyland (2005 - Space Mountain)
Epcot
Animal Kingdom (2006 - Expeition Everest)
Hollywood Studios (1999 - Rock 'n' Roller Coaster)
California Adventure (2001 - California Screamin')

Universal
Universal Studios Florida (2004 - Revenge Of The Mummy)
Islands Of Adventure (1999 - Incredible Hulk)
Universal Studios Hollywood (2004 - Revenge Of The Mummy)

Sea World Entertainment
Sea World Orlando (2016 - Mako)
Busch Gardens Tampa (2011 - Cheetah Hut)
Sea World San Diego (2012 - Manta)
Busch Gardens Williamsburg (2017 - InvadR)
*Sea World San Antonio (2017 - Wavebreaker)

Hershey Park (2012 - Skyrush)

Herschend
Dollywood (2016 - Lightning Rod)
Silver Dollar City (2013 - Outlaw Run)
*Wild Adventures (2001 - Cheetah)

Parques Reunidos
Kennywood (1991 - Phantom's Revenge)
Lake Compounce (2000 - Boulder Dash)

Other
Holiday World (2015 - Thunderbird)
Kentucky Kingdom (2016 - Storm Chaser)
Darien Lake (1999 - Ride Of Steel)
Buffalo Bills (1994 - Desperado)
Lagoon (2015 - Cannibal) * In the GTA listing
Knoebels (1999 - Twister)
Nickelodeon Universe (1992 - Pepsi Orange Streak)
Luna Park (1927 - Cyclone)
Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk (1924 - Giant Dipper)
*Waldameer (2008 - Ravine Flyer II)
*Fun Spot America (Orlando) Fun Spot America (Kissimmee) (2017 - Mine Blower)
*Mt. Olympus (2005 - Hades 360)
*Alabama Splash Adventure (1998 - Rampage)
*Conneaut Lake Park (1938 - Blue Streak)
*Quassy (2011 - Wooden Warrior)
*Beech Bend (2006 - Kentucky Rumbler)
*Silverwood (1999 - Tremors)
*ZDT's (2015 - Switchback)

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Stinger at Dorney Park is being removed. Announced today on their website.

Right, the suits must have seen my page making fun of them for announcing a restaurant at a water park. Good Riddance, when visiting KI I never go on Invertigo. The line is too long or it's broken. I think they flat out scrap it, don't even send it to MA or China.
That announcement and comments I wrote in the YouTube videos got me thinking. The TPFR people keep responding these rides are "classics" and they will be missed. Give me a break. These people are the reason why we get nothing new, or get a carnival coaster, or a kiddie ride, or a park bench.
I updated my attendance page to have the last time a park got a traditional coaster, not carnival. One can see that SF and CF try to keep the parks up to date, but some parks can go years before they get something good (step children). If I was a suit, I'd be looking at this list because that's the competition.
http://www.nogodforme.com/USA_Park_Coaster_Attendance_Results.htm
Let's look at SF V. CF for 2018 and the last major coaster (not carnival or kiddie). This doesn't include the 2018 rides that haven't opened yet. It is interesting to see what parks are over due for something real.
Six Flags
SFMM - Crazanity (Giant Zamperela Discovery) (2015 - Twisted Colossus)
SFNJ - Cyborg Cyber Spin (Tourbillon 3 Axis Flat Ride) (2006 - El Toro)
SFGAm - Larson Looper (Flat Ride) (2014 - Goliath)
SFoT - Harley Quinn Spinsanity (Tourbillon 3 Axis Flat Ride) (2011 - New Texas Giant)
SFoG - Twisted Cyclone (RMC) (2006 - Goliath)
SFNE - Harley Quinn Spinsanity (Giant Zamperela Discovery) (2015 - Wicked Cyclone)
SFFT - Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster (RMC Raptor) (2013 - Iron Rattler)
SFDK - Harley Quinn Crazy Coaster (Skywarp Figure 8 Flat Ride) (2016 - The Joker)
SFA - Wahoo River (Lazy River) (2000 - S:ROS)
SFSTL - Typhoon Twister (Water Slide) (2008 - American Thunder)
SFGE - Pandemonium (Chance Rides Freestyle Spinning Flat Ride) (1994 - Comet)
Cedar Fair
Cedar Point - Steel Vengeance (RMC) (2016 - Valravn)
Carowinds - Camp Snoopy (Playground, 5 Kiddie Rides) (2015 - Fury325)
Kings Island - ??? (2017 - Mystic Timbers)
Kings Dominion - Twisted Timbers (RMC) (2010 - Intimidator 305)
Dorney Park - Tidal Wave Café (Dorney Park Announced a Restaurant) (2005 - Hydra The Revenge)
California's Great America - Railblazer (RMC Raptor) (2013 - Gold Striker)
Knotts Berry Farm - Hangtime (Gerstlauer Carnival Coaster) (2004 - Silver Bullet)
Worlds of Fun - Nordic Chaser (Flat Ride) (2009 - Prowler)
Valley Fair - Delirious (Larson Looper Flat Ride) (2007 - Renegade)
Michigan's Adventure - A Park Bench (1998 - Shivering Timbers)
Disney
Magic Kingdom (2014 - Seven Dwarfs Mine Train)
Disneyland (2005 - Space Mountain)
Epcot
Animal Kingdom (2006 - Expeition Everest)
Hollywood Studios (1999 - Rock 'n' Roller Coaster)
California Adventure (2001 - California Screamin')
Universal
Universal Studios Florida (2004 - Revenge Of The Mummy)
Islands Of Adventure (1999 - Incredible Hulk)
Universal Studios Hollywood (2004 - Revenge Of The Mummy)
Sea World Entertainment
Sea World Orlando (2016 - Mako)
Busch Gardens Tampa (2011 - Cheetah Hut)
Sea World San Diego (2012 - Manta)
Busch Gardens Williamsburg (2017 - InvadR)
*Sea World San Antonio (2017 - Wavebreaker)
Hershey Park (2012 - Skyrush)
Herschend
Dollywood (2016 - Lightning Rod)
Silver Dollar City (2013 - Outlaw Run)
*Wild Adventures (2001 - Cheetah)
Parques Reunidos
Kennywood (1991 - Phantom's Revenge)
Lake Compounce (2000 - Boulder Dash)
Other
Holiday World (2015 - Thunderbird)
Kentucky Kingdom (2016 - Storm Chaser)
Darien Lake (1999 - Ride Of Steel)
Buffalo Bills (1994 - Desperado)
Lagoon (2015 - Cannibal) * In the GTA listing
Knoebels (1999 - Twister)
Nickelodeon Universe (1992 - Pepsi Orange Streak)
Luna Park (1927 - Cyclone)
Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk (1924 - Giant Dipper)
*Waldameer (2008 - Ravine Flyer II)
*Fun Spot America (Orlando) Fun Spot America (Kissimmee) (2017 - Mine Blower)
*Mt. Olympus (2005 - Hades 360)
*Alabama Splash Adventure (1998 - Rampage)
*Conneaut Lake Park (1938 - Blue Streak)
*Quassy (2011 - Wooden Warrior)
*Beech Bend (2006 - Kentucky Rumbler)
*Silverwood (1999 - Tremors)
*ZDT's (2015 - Switchback)

Your list is very, very flawed. You avoid listing major investments at parks that are not coasters and skip major coasters based on your personal preferences.

Look at your Disney Parks list, I will go over each park and list what the last major addition was at the US parks:

- Magic Kingdom, you're right with Seven Dwarves Mine Train. Shocked you're not listing it as a family coaster though.

- Epcot: last attraction that was built was Soarin' in 2005, which brought a ton of people to the park.

- Disney Hollywood Studios: last ride addition was Toy Story Mania! in 2008. Opening in 2018 Slinky Dog, a double launch Mack Young Star coaster.

- Disney's Animal Kingdom: 2017 saw a small section called Pandora open... I am sure you heard about it? No coaster, but it does have a slightly popular next generation flying theater called Flight of Passage. It is a bit of a dud though with an average of three hours lines and over during the fall even...

- Disneyland: if you count Space Mountain, you missed the reconstruction of Big Thunder Mountain in 2013. They changed all the track and added a new finale. Besides that, the reopening in 2007 of the Submarine Voyage was quite major.

- Disney California Adventure: like with Animal Kingdom, you also missed a very large expansion at the park back in 2012... Carsland headliner is a minor dark ride called Radiator Springs Racers that like Flight of Passage, get small lines all the time.

Besides Disney, you missed La Ronde, Six Flags Mexico and Canada's Wonderland. Those are owned by Six Flags and Cedar Fair in case you're wondering.

La Ronde: Carnaval en Folie in 2018, featuring a ferris wheel, family freefall and tilt a whirl. Last coaster was Ednor: l'Attaque in 2010, the old Serial Thriller from SFAW.

Six Flags Mexico: Wonder Woman coaster, a S&S Freespin built near Batman: The Ride (a SLC there) and the Starflyer. Last coaster before that was Medusa Steel Coaster in 2014, a RMC redo of the original La Medusa, a CCI woodie from 2000.

Canada's Wonderland: kiddie splash zone in the waterpark and two new rides in the dry park. Lumberjack will be a Zamperla Hawk 48 (Aero 360 at Kennywood) and Flying Canoes is a kiddie ride.

About Knott's, some research would be good on your part. You'd have realized it is a new Infinity Coaster and those use larger trains than the Eurofighters you seem to dislike so much. Hangtime will have 16 passenger trains and looking at the intense foundations, it would be a very permanent Carnival if it was built at one.

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Also with the list—

Universal Studios Florida last major attraction was 2004?

There was also

HRRR in 2009,
Gringotts in 2014.
Not to mention Transformers in 2013(?)

IOA had Skull Island last year, and there was also The Spider-Man and Hulk redos during the past few years.